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Hamlet slash - NO by PuckRox Hamlet slash - NO by PuckRox
I'm a very understanding person when it comes to slash. Sure, there are some odd shippings out there, but I try not to judge. But there's one thing I can't stand: slashing Shakespeare characters. Oh there's some I can stand, but most I can't. Why? Usually because the character is already dedicated to someone else. Usually if a character's already in love with another person, guess what? I don't ship them with other people!

This picture was basically what I looked like today during break when Margo told me she supported Hamlet/Laeretes. Then, to make matters worse, Aileen suggested Hamlet/Horatio. Okay, let's get one thing straight (haha) here: Hamlet loved Ophelia! Shall I quote some text for you? "I loved Ophelia: forty thousand brothers/Could not, with all their quantity of love/Make up my sum." So, I'm sorry, but I don't support Hamlet shipped with anyone else who isn't Ophelia. And besides, Laeretes doesn't love Hamlet. He has an Oedipus complex for his sister. Duh. And I'm biased against Hamlet/Horatio because their friendship is so strong and so pure and nothing can break that. Honestly? The only Hamlet slash I can stand is Rosencrantz/Guildenstern. :XD:



Hamlet (c) Billy Shakespeare
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vitaminanime Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Lol! I was just doing my Hamlet homework on the next tab!
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MlleJavert Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2010
While I agree with you about Hamlet and Laertes, there is actually some textual evidence to the Hamlet/Horatio pairing. It's more plausible than many other slash pairings on the internet.

Hamlet is a very complex play with very complex themes. Hamlet has a mistrust towards all of the female sex. While I believe that he did once love Ophelia, that can change. In the famous line where he tells Ophelia to get to a nunnery, he is actually using a double meaning. Nunnery in Elizabethan times was slang for a brothel. Because of his mother's hasty marriage to his uncle, he has developed an intense dislike for anything female. Horatio is not female. Horatio is the only person can trust at Elsinore. I agree that they are close friends, but who's to say that didn't turn into more? We certainly don't know for sure.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2010  Student Photographer
Um. I know Hamlet is a complex play. I've been studying it, watching it, and reading it for the past three years of my life. I know Hamlet has issues with females (that's what the line "frailty thy name is woman" is all about). This is more of a joke picture, as everyone at my table in my class kept saying Horatio and Hamlet were getting it on, and while that was their opinion, I've always been for the Hamlet/Ophelia take. Yes, Hamlet's views of women are damaged because of his mother's infidelity and Ophelia's attempt to trick him while her father is listening, but in many production and movies I've seen the Hamlet/Ophelia parts can be done justice and show that the two were really very much in love. And while I don't mind shipping two male characters - I do it all the time - I really believe that Hamlet and Horatio's bond is only friendship. That is my take on it.
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Contrast-Kitsune Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2009  Student General Artist
*perks up*
Oh! a wonderful idea! Thank you!!
*goes to find Hamlet slash*
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2009  Student Photographer
Well... glad I could be of assistance... :P
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Contrast-Kitsune Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2009  Student General Artist
YAY!
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blufzms Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2009
Please do read this:
[link]
HamletxHoratio is MOST DEFINITELY in the text :D
And that link doesn't even cover half of it (I'm just far too lazy to type up anything myself)

Oh, and Shakespeare wrote love poems to a guy. :D
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2009  Student Photographer
*le sigh*

I know there's a lot of evidence that Horation/Hamlet exists and I know a lot of people support it, and I'm not stopping them from supporting it. And I know that Shakespeare wrote poems to a guy, and I'm perfectly okay with that (yay for Shakespeare getting it on with a guy! that's hot). It's just.... gah, here, I wrote this on my livejournal a couple weeks ago:

"First off, let me just say, I have absolutely nothing against slash. A great majority of my shippings are slash. Most of my major shippings are slash. But there are some relationships you just can't do it for. Slash is all about looking past the relationship between too characters and seeing something more, but sometimes the friendship is too strong to look past. Such examples for me are Sam/Frodo, Harry/Ron, Catherine/Sarah, etc. This goes for hetero shippings too. I can never ship Gil/Catherine or Daniel/Betty, for example.

So, all that being said, I could never ship Horatio/Hamlet. Out of all the friendships in Shakespeare's work, I see there's as the purest. Even though they haven't seen each other for so many years, they act as though not a day has gone by since they last saw each other. And at the end, Horatio is so moved by his friend's death that he's about to kill himself. And yes, they love each other, but I refuse to see it anymore than as two friends loving each other with all their hearts. I can honestly say I love a few of my friends the way Hamlet and Horation love each other, and there are no other feelings going on between me and my friends. So I can't ship them. Throw in the fact that I'm an avid Hamlet/Ophelia shipper too, and it's impossible for me. Besides, Rosencrantz/Guildenstern works much better. XD"

:D
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blufzms Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2009
Yay! An intellegent response that clearly took at least a moment of your time. This makes me very happy :D

Hm...I'm just going to say this because it's one of my favorite points to make about Hamlet and Horatio, but I've noticed that, when Hamlet talks about love for others, there is often a reference fto brothers or brotherly love in the near vicinity. For example, the quote you put in the commenct of your deviation: "I loved Ophelia: forty thousand brothers/Could not, with all their quantity of love/Make up my sum." or a part from Hamlet and Laertes' dialogue before the fencing bout: Hamlet: "I have shot mine arrow o'er the house / And hurt my brother..." Laertes:"I do recieve your offer'd love like love..." Hamlet: "I embrace it freely" (sorry if that quote was a bit hard to follow). However, when he talks a bout love in reference to Horatio ("I will hold him in my heart as I do thee" or "If thou didst ever hold me in thine heart" to (possiblem mis-) quote a few), brothers or brotherly affection is not mentioned. So I do believe Hamlet loved Ophelia - as a younger sister. He may have felt similarly (altohugh most liekly to a lesser degree) about Laertes. But his love for Horatio is different. Of course this does not in and of itself prove Hamlet was in love with
Horatio, but I believe that adding additional quotes/info/whatever (for example, at least to me it seems that Hamlet is concealing his sexuality (which again required additional evidence, which I do have the capacity to provide ;D), he's 30something and unmarried, "He that thou knowest thine," etc) it seems quite obvious.

Oh, and isn't (pure) romantic love in its own way the purest form of friendship? :D

And Rosencrantz/Guildenstern is love as well. Although probably the only reason anyone actually aknowledges it as a pairing is because of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead.

Oh, and the whole you like to preserve friendships thing is quite valid, even admirable in its own right. I do disagree personally on that count, but it's completely alright if you prefer to see friendships that could potentially be pairings as that way. I do, however, agree that HarryxRon = blegh. But that's pretty irrelevant.

Also, if you do have some evidence against HamletxHoratio, I would love to see it, as I do like to keep an open mind about this sort of thing. And maybe it'd be best for me to start doubting ymself before I become completely and utterly unable to see what is in my opinion the best play ever written in only one way. Although the time for that may already be past...=P
And talking about Hamlet is always fun. Especially considering that I have so little a chance to do so normally (my only friend who likes Hamlet has not actually read the play...or seen a movie version, for that matter. Don't ask)

So, yes. And Horatio and Hamlet are awesome anyway, no matter what form their relationship may take :D
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Wayward-Mortal Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2008
No I will not stop slashing Shakespearian characters, especially Hamlet characters!

First of all, HamletHoratio is completely textual. Hamlet signs his letter to Horatio "He that thou knowest thine" and when Hamlet dies in his arms the first thing Horatio cries is "And so breaks a noble heart!"---and that's only to cite a few instances. Go ahead; tell me that's platonic.

I don't even think Hamlet loved Ophelia. In the quote you've cited, he says he loved her more than "forty thousand *brothers,*" Hm, sounds to me like he's declaring brotherly love. Furthermore, he definitely *tells* Ophelia to her face that he didn't love her. In order to seem mad, he appears to be in love with her, but when he believes they are alone, he tells her his attraction to her in the past was stupid. --And if an "I love you" in the text is all one needs to proclaim cannon, there's a a good deal more for HoratioHamlet...

And take a look at the context surrounding the play; not only was Shakespeare's own sexuality ambiguous to say the least, the theaters of the time were essentially houses of ill repute, and catering to the tastes of their more common patrons (that is, the patrons who attended the theater all the time and also who where generally common townspeople), play writes-- *especially* Shakespeare stuffed their plays to bursting with sexual and notably homo erotic subtext.

want to note/discuss stuff? I love a good scholarly argument, especially regarding Shakespeare and slash, and seeing as you're probably as passionate about your beliefs as I am in mine, it'd be interesting. And I promise I won't be as mean as I was above.
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LadyHalcyon Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2008
ITA! Shakespearean slash is utterly textual and even deliberate - Shakespeare was very keen on deep friendships "Damon dear" (see the sonnets) and may not even have seen anything odd in portraying lovers. Hamlet was required to marry and produce an heir (hence Polonius & Laertes' assertion that "he may not.. carve for himself"), but "his soul's election" was Horatio.
Laertes... foeyay? And Oedipus complexes don't quite work that way, but nvm, it's true it's not a particularly normal relationship.
Sweet prince *xD
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peanutturtle Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008
as long as you're cool with guil and rosie, i agree! :3
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Student Photographer
I started liking Ros/Guil more once I got obsessed wtih R&G are Dead. I think they're cute. :D
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peanutturtle Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008
they are! they're so adorable, haha.

in the theatre techniques class i'm taking, i got to read a side from RAGAD, and i fell in love with 'em :D :heart:
the teacher had a full copy of the play and she lent it to me last week and i read the whole thing after i got home from class. x3
next week i get to read the beginning scene, too! gyee. i'm excited. i'm reading it with my friend valerie and i'm gonna be guil :0
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2008  Student Photographer
That's awesome! I wish we got to do that in my theatre classes. Sadly, since I go to an all girls school, my teacher insisted we do scenes with just girls in them (laaaaaaame). But I'm doing RAGAD for my senior research paper and I absolutely adore it! Ros is my favorite, though I'd jump Guil in a heart beat. But I think they've got some really cute moments in the play/movie. Have you seen the movie?
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peanutturtle Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2008
awh, that sucks. haha, we have one boy in the whole class and uh...he's got some...mental issues. i think. not like he's retarded, but...semi-sociopathic. :/ he sort of freaks me out. anyway. what i guess i meant by that is we do a lot of tranny-ing. xD

whoa, that's cool! :) oh, yes, yes, they have. x3

i've seen loads of clips off of youtube, but i haven't seen the movie as of yet. i'm netflixing it soon, though, so if all goes well i might have seen it by at least this weekend.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2008  Student Photographer
The movie is so amazing! Gary Oldman and Tim Roth are great as teh two! :-)
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peanutturtle Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2008
i've heard it's really good! i'm super excited to see it :D

rofl, i was telling my dad about the movie version the other day and i almost said gary coleman instead of oldman. xDDD

so then he's like "what choo talkin' 'bout rosencrantz?!"

and oh god. i just hope i don't start thinking about that when i'm reading the sides tomorrow, lol.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2008  Student Photographer
Haha, good luck with that! :-)
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Kestara Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Hey, you really should have expected it from me. I am the one that slashes all three Jonas brothers together...
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2007  Student Photographer
Yeah, yeah, I know. You can slash your JoBros but you stay away from my precious Shakespeare characters!
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jujubeanie Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2007
HAMLET x HORATIO!!! LAERTES X OPHELIA!!! HAMLET X GERTRUDE!!!
My favorite is that Claudius was actually in love with Hamlet Sr. and killed him because he didn't lurve Claudius back, lol.

(Just kidding) But, seriously, where do some people come up with these things? In AP English, Ms. Housley talked about reading some actual critics essays that thought Laertes and Ophelia were in love, and a couple that thought Hamlet had an Oedipus Complex and was in love with Gertrude. Sketch(y). ^_^
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2007  Student Photographer
... *twitch twitch*

Weird.
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Radmuggle Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2007
sparknotes talks about Hamlet's Oedipus complex!!!
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JarethsGoblinQueen Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007
People slash Shakespeare? O_O Wow. Ha. I thought *my* pairings were wierd.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007  Student Photographer
Haha, yeah, people actually do. I actually just had a conversation over the phone with my friend about Hamlet/Horatio. Gaaaaaah, there are some characters that are just not meant to be shipped! And trust me, I love weird pairings too!
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Radmuggle Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007
their love is real.

the orange one is hamlet
:)
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007  Student Photographer
And the red one is me.

:fork:
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Radmuggle Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2007
is the yellow one Hamlet?

are you secretly Laertes? *gasp*

POISON!!

mind you I have only seen the movie and neglected to actually read the book... oh Kenneth..
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2007  Student Photographer
Um, no, you're the yellow one, loser.

...you didn't read the book? you sadden my heart.
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Radmuggle Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2007
im Hamlet? goodness! I need counseling!

I read the first 3 acts..
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0green0dragon0girl0 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:D well said.
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Radmuggle Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007
Horatio so loves Hamlet. Thats why he was like "gah! Imma kill myself!" when hamlet was like "gah! imma dying!!"
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007  Student Photographer
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

*stabbeth you*
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Svenly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Roz/Guild is H-O-T. Mrawr!
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Student Photographer
Hahaha. During Performance Theatre, Rothert and I had a long conversation about how you and her played those parts.
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Svenly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was clokey. She had leperosy. it was epic.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Student Photographer
I haven't heard the leperosy part, but I heard all about clokey and how she was sad that she didn't get one.
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Svenly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well, she had leperosy. It was teh best thing ever. Well, by the end we both had leperosy. I made a comic of us in spanish freshman year. Twas coolio.
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Student Photographer
Haha, sounds amazing. Leperosy is fun.

I is siiiiiiiiiiiiiiick. :sick:
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Svenly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rr! get better, *sends Jew Magic.*
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PuckRox Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2007  Student Photographer
Well, I'm not at school. I hate staying home sick. I'm missing both the Comedy Club Christmas party and my meeting with Ms. Mitchell about my senior art show!!! *sadness*
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